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Post by OnTheRoad on Oct 5, 2003 9:27:10 GMT -5
When the subject of class basketball comes up Hoosiers have very strong opinions. However, the debates always seem to focus on the boy's side of the issue. What does everyone think is best for the girl's game here in Indiana?....single class, four classes, more?...fewer?. Does it necessarily have to be the same for both genders?
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Post by luvtheroundball on Oct 7, 2003 8:49:08 GMT -5
Personally, I like class basketball. My Senior year was the last year prior to Class Basketball. I think that it is good for the High School game. It gives more kids the oppourntunity to be apart of something "BIG" while they are in school. (in the world of reality TV.... I think there should be a twist to it) I think the winners of each class should have one tournament. Crazy, yes I know... but interesting........
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Post by hooops on Oct 7, 2003 9:55:00 GMT -5
;DIT JUST MAKES SENSE!!!!!!!!!!! ;D ;D
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Post by Southern Man on Oct 7, 2003 10:28:20 GMT -5
I wasn't for class basketball and I voted against it at every oppportunity given, however, I have talked to many folks that won titles via class basketball and they are fired up. ;D I think it is here to stay and I wouldn't vote against at this point. You can teach old dogs new tricks. ![::)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/eyesroll.png)
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Post by hooops on Oct 7, 2003 10:32:08 GMT -5
SOUTHERN MAN: HONESTY, I LOVE IT !!!!!!!
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Post by Southern Man on Oct 7, 2003 10:38:13 GMT -5
hooops, Are you from a small school? ![::)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/eyesroll.png)
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Post by GLC on Oct 7, 2003 10:54:05 GMT -5
I would opt for a two "Class" state tournament,with a good "mixture" of regular season games. ![::)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/eyesroll.png) The only thing that I feel is hurt by Class Basketball is the selections of Mr. & Miss Basketball. ![:-X](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/lipssealed.png) It's going to be tough for 1A or 2A schools to have either. ![:(](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/sad.png) Indiana's summer season allows for players,from "all" schools,to be seen for exposure. ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) (JMO)
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Post by Southern Man on Oct 7, 2003 11:44:31 GMT -5
GLC, Good point, however, I am curious.... ![:o](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/shocked.png) Has small schools been left out of the Miss Basketball race because of their school size or because of the lack of media coverage? Did small schools have candidates win or get close before the class system? ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) I can see small schools getting hurt with classes as well as without.
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Post by BIRDMAN on Oct 7, 2003 12:09:08 GMT -5
Having played in the one class system, I loved it as a player, my last two games were in front of 7000+ people at Northside Gym and it was great. I have attended many semi-state games since the inception of class bball (both boys and girls) and to see a game at that level in front of half that many people seemed wrong. With that being said, now that I am coaching at a small school, I think it is a good idea as many of them now have a chance to play longer into the season and you do not walk into sectional knowing that there is absoultly no way that you can win.
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Post by Southern Man on Oct 7, 2003 13:12:29 GMT -5
;D This the feed-back that I am getting from alot of folks. I coach at a big school and the sectionals are just as intense. ![8-)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/cool.png)
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Post by GLC on Oct 7, 2003 13:31:31 GMT -5
Four divisions seem so far apart(1-4),where as two divisions(1-2) would give a better argument about the talent level. ![:-/](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/undecided.png) Combining 1A & 2A into one division and 3A & 4A into another might help. ![8-)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/cool.png) Just a suggestion. ![::)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/eyesroll.png) If it seems to be working like it is,then don't try and fix it. ![:o](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/shocked.png) This is one year that,I feel,talent is distributed throughout the entire state. ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png)
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Post by hooops on Oct 7, 2003 15:11:58 GMT -5
SOUTHERN MAN:
I AM FROM A LARGER SCHOOL, AND THROUGHOUT MY PLAYING DAYS IN HIGH SCHOOL, WITHOUT SOUNDING CONCEEDED, WE KNEW WE WERE GOING TO WIN OUR SECTIONAL AND REGIONAL, REALLY BEFORE WE PLAYED IT, BEFORE CLASS BASKETBALL, NOW YOU HAVE TO BE READY TO PLAY THE FIRST GAME IN THE POST SEASON, AND IF YOU MAKE IT ALL THE WAY, YOU HAVE DEFFINATLY BEAT THE BEST TO GET THERE, AND ANYBODY THAT THINKS THAT THE 3A, 2A, OR THE 1A STATE CHAMPION,ARE NOT REALLY A CHAMPION, I SAY, LET'S COMPARE APPLES TO APPLES !!!!
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Post by SportsGuy on Oct 7, 2003 16:08:13 GMT -5
I'd like to see the tournament remain in its current format for sectionals and then everyone against everyone for regionals.
I drew up a fictional tournament last season, using the sectional winners, and some of the matchups were VERY interesting.
This way small schools get their shot at winning a sectional and big schools get their one state champion.
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Post by GLC on Oct 8, 2003 8:26:36 GMT -5
Not bad,SportsGuy. ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png) What if we go one step farther,and put the "top" four of each Class and create a "sweet 16" for the State Title? ![::)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/eyesroll.png) That way,each Class could then win a regional title and the semi-state would really be a "semi-state". ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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Post by Southern Man on Oct 8, 2003 9:11:54 GMT -5
It has taken several years for the class system to catch on. I vote for leaving well enough alone. The state tried a match up of different classes and from what I have heard it was a failure. ![:-/](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/undecided.png)
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Post by SportsGuy on Oct 8, 2003 13:12:22 GMT -5
The Tournament of Champions that you are talking about was constructed inproperly.
There was nothing left for the four teams to achieve. They were already state champions in their respective classes, so basically three teams were leaving the T.O.C. with a loss to end their season.
If they wanted the T.O.C. to succeed, what they should have done was INCLUDED the tourney as part of the state tournament, rather than present it as an exhibition.
GLC, that's a thought, too. Anything to funnel the system down to ONE state champion would be nice. I chose to end multi-class at the sectional level because that's what all teams shoot for at the beginning of the season. Anything beyond that is icing on the cake.
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Post by RebelRowser on Oct 8, 2003 13:24:39 GMT -5
Class has to go. Before the class system, small schools and state tournament attendance were both doing just fine. Does anyone remember tiny Scottsburg and their Miss Basketball winners and candidates? It is sad to appear for the 1A and 2A championship games and see all the empty seats. It only takes 5-12 girls to field a basketball team, there is no need for classes. It would have been fantastic the past couple of years to see Shenandoah, Heritage Christian, and Southwestern take on (and beat) many of the larger schools. That magic is gone.
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Post by SportsGuy on Oct 8, 2003 13:39:26 GMT -5
Rebel, would you rather try to find 5 to 12 quality basketball players out of a pool of 100 or a pool of 1000?
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Post by boiler on Oct 8, 2003 13:41:58 GMT -5
GLC, that is exactly what Al Rhodes (Warsaw now Logansport) proposed to the IHSAA before we adopted the current 4 classed. They of course did not accept it even though it had alot of support from the coaches throughout the state!
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Post by GLC on Oct 8, 2003 13:52:04 GMT -5
That Rhodes guy must be a Scholar. ![::)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/eyesroll.png) Get it! ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) Rhodes-Scholar. ![8-)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/cool.png) Just having some fun. ![:-[](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/embarrassed.png)
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