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Post by realtalk on Mar 29, 2010 11:12:29 GMT -5
Minix should have made this team. I would never say, so and so shouldnt have made it, but Minix SHOULD have. Its sad to see a girl with that much talent, that much savvy, and unselfishness not get to be part of this 'TEAM.' How many D-1 schools offer a kid from that small of a school pretty much before her senior year?? That should tell you something right there. Barnett isnt the best PG in the Northern part of the state, but she is very, very good. If she was nominated and didn't get honorable mention, it seems very odd to me. But, she's a sophomore and her accolades will come as she continues to play. So you're saying Minnix is better than Barnett? Last year when they squared off head to head, Barnett dropped 29 with Minnix guarding her and subsequently held Minnix to just 9points. This year she held Minnix to 11 points and her dad elected double team Barnett the entire game to contain her.
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Post by realtalk on Mar 29, 2010 11:17:58 GMT -5
By the way, I don't have a problem with the team. I believe it is an accurate way to assemble it by having the top 60 workout. This way you separate the real players from those who are simply products of a system!!
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Post by tru4ness on Mar 29, 2010 12:16:45 GMT -5
You know I thought about not calling out any specific kids. And I do apologize if I offened anyone with the comments that I made. But my point still remains the same! First of all, I was at the top 60 workout! No girl at the top 60 workout played great. I might even go as far and say no one played well. A few players had a spirt here and there, but no one stood out. Second of all, Charlie Hall does pick the all star team. He might gets some input from some reliable sources, but he is the one who makes the final desicions on the team. He needs to start getting it correct. Third, when picking an all star team why would you choose not to pick the most talented team you could find. If the most talented team you could find has a few more gaurds then your standard all star team, then so be it. Charlie Hall, or who ever chooses the team would rather leave a more talented gaurd off the team for a bigger player who isn't so talented? Thats not very smart. Clearly all these girls have had great careers, so the next deciding factor is who the best (most talented) players are. I understand that beauty is within the eye of the beholder. But as I said before, there are some girls who should've been on this team. There are some players as far as talent goes, that are less deserving. Brandi Richardson and Gabby Minix should be on this team. There are girls that made the team that are not better than these two, point blank period!
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Post by tru4ness on Mar 29, 2010 12:32:08 GMT -5
As far as Dee Dee Wiliams goes, she not even the best player on her team. She finnished 2nd in miss basketball voting because her team went undefeated and won a state title. She's not even better than Demetria. Don't give me this talk about her being a lock down defender, or her having talent. She is just a nice role player to have on your team. Nothing against any of these young players, i'm just telling the truth. Dee Dee Williams and Jada Buggs are going to Big Ten schools. Why would Charlie Hall not pick a girls who are going to Wisconsin and Purdue? I garuntee any girl going to Purdue will always be on the all star team. Oh yeah, quick fact, Just because someone is going to Purdue or Wisconsin doesn't mean there going to be good there (not Courtney Mosses). Coaches make mistakes all the time. But I hope we can all learn from these experiences. But I doubt it because this state is all about politics. Plus high school coaches have to much power in making or breaking a high school player's career!
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Post by indyyjr2 on Mar 29, 2010 12:46:43 GMT -5
Again, false4ness, NONE of the observers, including college coaches--who did not include Purdue nor Wisconsin's head coaches, were right, huh? If they felt you really knew how to judge the players, maybe you'd been asked to be an official observer.....
The players who made the team were favored by the observers group over the players you say are better. That wasn't politics on the observers' parts, just judging what they saw at Top 60....
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Post by dcdad on Mar 29, 2010 13:20:50 GMT -5
Obviously tru4ness and the others complaining about the picks keep focusing on how the players didn't play well at the top 60 workoug. IT WAS JUST ANOTHER PICK-UP GAME! Players, especially top players, play much better with players they are familiar with, have a chance to practice with, and have coaches that actually coach them in the type of game to play. If anyone there watched the skills workout, it was very easy to see players with good shooting motion, physical ability, foot-work, cutting skills, and just flat filling the lanes on fastbreaks.
And, tru4ness, the next time you apologize, try to mean it. Stop calling high school girls out on the discussion board like you did on the post after you apologized. They were CHOSEN, they didn't lobby for the position. Time to get over it and move on.
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Post by indyyjr2 on Mar 29, 2010 14:45:08 GMT -5
False4ness, You seem to be a minority of ONE when it comes to judging Dee Dee on this team....get over it
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Post by observer06 on Mar 29, 2010 15:46:15 GMT -5
Don't read too much into it. Tru4ness is a member of the Richardson family, he/she raised similar objections when Charae didn't make the All-Stars last year and Brandi wasn't on the Core junior team, and was also part of the disgruntled faction that led to Jan Connor getting out of coaching for the time being. Anybody that closely invested in the situation and who is more than willing to interfere isn't going to be swayed by any objectivity or logic on a message board.
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Post by browe on Mar 29, 2010 18:23:19 GMT -5
Time to identify yourself if you're going to challenging selections.
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Post by ExcelHSports on Mar 29, 2010 18:38:07 GMT -5
I too would like for you to give your real name and not hide behind some screen name. Hopefully, you have the guts to put your name to your claim.
Steven Stremming Excel High School Sports
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Post by griz on Mar 29, 2010 19:11:02 GMT -5
tru4ness, I'll agree with you that Brandi is a great player and great kid too.
It's too bad there aren't a few more spots on the team, because she would have made a fine selection.
But there is no way Williams wasn't going to make this team, no matter who picked it - except maybe you.
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Post by indybasketball72 on Mar 29, 2010 20:40:22 GMT -5
tru4ness...You don't have to score 30 in a game to be an All-Star. Its the little things that Williams does that makes her a special talent. She will be a great addition for Purdue!
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Post by silverfox on Mar 30, 2010 7:16:03 GMT -5
I think history has shown ( circa - the olympics a few years back) that chosing a TEAM based on the best individual players, isn't the best way to go, and rarely works. I also recall a Washington Redskins team who stacked the sqaud with the best "individual" players possible, sold the farm, and future draft pics, and didn't even make the play offs. tru4ness obviously has a horse that didn't make the race, and if they did, this person would be the one on the sidelines complaining about playing time, etc. regarless if we win or not. It's hard to reason with someone who thinks that chosing the best individual players is the only way to chose the best TEAM. The fact is, Charlie could have made 2 All Star teams and still had players left over. It's time to let it go, support the players chosen, and quit bashing these fine young players who will be representing us all. Good luck Ladies. bring a couple of "W"s home!!
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Post by indybasketball72 on Mar 30, 2010 21:29:19 GMT -5
I can guarantee you the Williams and Nunley-Lash families won't be on the sidelines complaining about playing time. They are first class families, both with great knowledge of the game. It has never been about the individual at BD!
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Post by realtalk on Mar 31, 2010 8:33:08 GMT -5
I saw Williams and Nunley-Lash in the state championship game and all could say was WOW!! They were long, athletic, and very disciplined. Williams was very good but I remember being blown away by Nunley-Lash! She caught my attention right away and i remember asking myself, " why haven't I ever heard of her?". For ANYONE to say that these two don't belong on the team is crazy. Other than Goss, they were CLEARLY the two best players in any of the final games that we watched that day. Why did she sign with IUPUI? Was it a personal choice?It seems liked she could have gone to a bigger school if she had chosen to.
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Post by redwolf1 on Mar 31, 2010 18:07:34 GMT -5
At a clinic that I attended last year, the college coach said, 'I don't look at anyone who doesn't look athletic'. Last year on this site one of the contributors to this site said, 'don't pick any skinny girls', referring to rounding out the all star team selection from the top 60 workout. Someone from this site also said that they work hard to pick the best talent but they also select to draw interest. It is very evident at many levels potential is rewarded more than accomplishment. That is a weakness in all sports. (Butler has figured this out) Just out of curiousity for those of you who were involved in the selections, how many games or hours did you watch each player from both the all star team and the top 60 players? How many players did you know nothing of and did any of them impress you? Do you assume that because you haven't seen or heard of them that they must not be very good or average pretty good?
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Post by observer06 on Mar 31, 2010 21:14:10 GMT -5
Between high school, AAU, and various other exposure events, my rough guesstimate is that I've seen the majority of senior players invited to the Top 60 Workout anywhere from 20-60 times during their high school years. Obviously that can vary if a kid chooses not to do AAU, or has a major injury, or is playing another sport that chews up a lot of their time. But that seems like a fairly good average going back over the past decade.
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Post by bulldogjr on Mar 31, 2010 21:29:21 GMT -5
How sad they pick the all stars based on the top 60 workout. Everybody knows-- unselfish players will not look good in that selfish environment. What about looking at their career in high school?
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Post by observer06 on Mar 31, 2010 21:40:41 GMT -5
They don't pick based on the Top 60. Common misconception. We don't have an All-Star tryout, although the Top 60 does factor in some insofar as getting to judge kids head-to-head. Their careers (both the full four years and especially senior year) have a whole lot to do with it, along with high school team's success. The bulk of the All-Star team has already been decided going into the Workout, all they're doing then is filling out the last couple of spots and this is one final chance to look at some of the finalists.
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Post by redwolf1 on Apr 2, 2010 20:46:28 GMT -5
Just a short question observer06. How many girls have you seen over the last few years who looked very good to you and they were not invited to the top 60? Most of the people in this area do not have the resources to let their kids play AAU ball so high school is the only exposure. I have also noticed in rural areas that exposure is virtually zero, even when the teams become top rated. As an example, how many girls from Jay County have you seen over the last 5 years time. My question is leading you to the point that exposure is limited
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