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Post by mohrmagic on Mar 26, 2010 7:17:47 GMT -5
Here is the 2010 All-Star Team!
Good luck to the team!
Courtney Moses (Oak Hills) Dee Dee Williams (Ben Davis) Brandy Woody (Western Boone) Tabitha Gerardot (FW Canterbury) Jada Buggs (Elkhart Memorial) Andrea Newbauer (FW Concordia) Katy McIntosh (Austin) Jasmine Penny (Logansport) Anna Munn (Decatur Central) Maegan Callaway (Mooresville) Demetria Nunley-Lash (Ben Davis) Sarah Hamm (Winchester) Khristian Hart (Evansville Harrison) Bryonna Davis (Merrillville)
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Post by steppin'wolf on Mar 26, 2010 8:19:33 GMT -5
www.indystar.com/article/20100326/SPORTS0217/3260354/1057/SPORTS02/Indiana-Girls-All-Stars-roster-filled-with-winnersIs your source correct? You left out Davis from Merrillville. Here is a copy/paste from teh Indy paper. Name School Ht. PPG College Choice Courtney Moses Oak Hill 5-7 31.7 Purdue Dee Dee Williams Ben Davis 6-1 9.3 Purdue Tabitha Gerardot FW Canterbury 6-0 21.6 Valparaiso Jada Buggs Elkhart Memorial 6-0 15.8 Wisconsin Andrea Newbauer FW Concordia 5-8 13.5 Indiana Katy McIntosh Austin 5-8 20.9 Indianapolis Brandy Woody Western Boone 5-7 19.3 Ball State Jasmine Penny Logansport 6-1 24.6 DePaul Anna Munn Decatur Central 5-10 16.9 Indiana State Maegan Callaway Mooresville 6-1 17.7 Valparaiso Demetria Nunley-Lash Ben Davis 5-8 9.3 IUPUI Bryonna Davis Merrillville 5-7 20.9 Michigan State Sarah Hamm Winchester 6-3 18.8 Butler Khristian Hart Evansville Harrison 5-7 23.9 Evansville Coach: Melissa Marlow. Assistant coaches: Stephanie Keller, Amy Govert.
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Post by mohrmagic on Mar 26, 2010 8:24:05 GMT -5
Sorry can't type! Got it now.
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Post by tru4ness on Mar 26, 2010 12:27:32 GMT -5
First and foremost, every player selected deserved to be on the all star team. Well maybe not? The reason I say this is because there are a few players who got snubbed badly. I am so sick of the way Indiana leaves these decisions up to this Charlie Hall guy. This is nothing but a politial campaign! When has the teamever been selected strictly on the criteria of talent, or the best palyers in the state? All I see is a list of girls picked for this team because of where they are going to school. Don't get me wrong, Courtney Mosses is clearly miss basketball, 32 points a game, and is hands down the best player in the state. Jasmine Penny is a very good and deserving player. Tabitha Gerardot, I believe, is the 2nd best player in this class. DeeDee Williams and Demetria Nunley-Lash?- No Way! They are certainly good role players on a great Ben Davis team; however, they are certainly not two of the most talented players you're going to find in the state this year. Nine points a game? Brandy Woody? Western Boone?- NO WAY! What about Gabby Minix, Brandi Richardson, and Danielle Pulliam? Brandy Woody and the two girls from Ben Davis are not better than Gabby, Brandi, and Danielle. I have seen all of these girls play several times and this just makes no sense to me. These girls are being picked based on where they're going to school and who they've played for. These girls should be picked based on talent. Jada Buggs is going to Wisconsin; this is the only reason she's been picked for the all-star team. What about Mandy McDivitt? This is why this all-star series is losing money. I understand that every single year there is going to be a few players who get snubbed from the all-star team, but when is Charley Hall going to start getting it right? There is going to be more talent sitting at home watching the all-star game than there is playing.
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Post by indyyjr2 on Mar 26, 2010 13:11:23 GMT -5
tsk, tsk, tru4ness---how is the second place finisher for Miss Basketball (Dee Dee Williams) rated as being so untalented and unqualified for the roster? Charlie Hall didn't give her 52 voting points--that came from coaches and media---and Charlie doesn't make the decisions solo--so, you obviously don't know how the team is selected.
Obviously, you were not there at Top 60 where the coaches were able to observe and rate these players head-to-head on the same court....Several independent observers--both college coaches and media--rated players and provided recommendations to Charlie, Jennifer Marlow and the staff......The college coaches that I had info from voted for Williams(a unanimous pick), Nunley-Lash, and Woody above all four of the players you favored (Minix, Richardson, Puilliam, and McDivitt)....The team selections, with only one possible exception, very closely matched the observers' most popular choices.
At least one of the four players you favor didn't get mentioned by any of the observers for the team(are they all wrong or are you the one who is wrong?)...and none of the four had as many observer mentions as the three selected....However, if you think there is more talent not playing for the All Stars, then go to New Castle in June---a lot of the "snubbed" players will liikely be invited there.
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Post by dcdad on Mar 26, 2010 13:15:52 GMT -5
Wow, it took until almost 11:30 before the complaining started. Tru4ness-try decaf. It will help take some of the edge off. For every point you make, 10 other people will have just the opposite view. Do you really think Buggs and Williams are going to MAJOR programs because they are of average talent? Nope.
Every year, someone pitches a fit about the selection. That's because we have great talent in this State and you can't take them all. The only way to keep enyone from complaining is to eliminate the event. And, that isn't going to happen.
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Post by ahnestabe on Mar 26, 2010 14:01:48 GMT -5
tru4ness...is it true that ignorance really is bliss? Apparently not. Come on. There are 12 spots and a lot of very good deserving girls. To call out specific girls and say they should not be on the team is more than sour grapes. Have some class.
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Post by dell on Mar 26, 2010 16:27:03 GMT -5
Correct me if I am wrong but I think another huge consideration they put in selecting the players is they want to put a good TEAM together in the true sense of the word. That is one of the reason they have a top 60 workout.
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Post by jchandler729 on Mar 26, 2010 16:30:37 GMT -5
Maybe they just fielded the best team and not necessarily the best individual talent.
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Post by dell on Mar 26, 2010 16:41:55 GMT -5
First and foremost, every player selected deserved to be on the all star team. Well maybe not? The reason I say this is because there are a few players who got snubbed badly. I am so sick of the way Indiana leaves these decisions up to this Charlie Hall guy. This is nothing but a politial campaign! When has the teamever been selected strictly on the criteria of talent, or the best palyers in the state? All I see is a list of girls picked for this team because of where they are going to school. Don't get me wrong, Courtney Mosses is clearly miss basketball, 32 points a game, and is hands down the best player in the state. Jasmine Penny is a very good and deserving player. Tabitha Gerardot, I believe, is the 2nd best player in this class. DeeDee Williams and Demetria Nunley-Lash?- No Way! They are certainly good role players on a great Ben Davis team; however, they are certainly not two of the most talented players you're going to find in the state this year. Nine points a game? Brandy Woody? Western Boone?- NO WAY! What about Gabby Minix, Brandi Richardson, and Danielle Pulliam? Brandy Woody and the two girls from Ben Davis are not better than Gabby, Brandi, and Danielle. I have seen all of these girls play several times and this just makes no sense to me. These girls are being picked based on where they're going to school and who they've played for. These girls should be picked based on talent. Jada Buggs is going to Wisconsin; this is the only reason she's been picked for the all-star team. What about Mandy McDivitt? This is why this all-star series is losing money. I understand that every single year there is going to be a few players who get snubbed from the all-star team, but when is Charley Hall going to start getting it right? There is going to be more talent sitting at home watching the all-star game than there is playing. DeeDee Williams and Demetria Nunley-Lash can flat out guard people!!!! So yes they are two of the most talented players in the state.
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Post by bomberjeff on Mar 26, 2010 17:31:49 GMT -5
First, Charlie Hall doesn't select the team by himself. He does it with input from the coaches, media, and other longtime watchers of Indiana HS basketball. He has been very upfront about wanting to put the best TEAM together for the All-Star series. That means that even if the best 12 players are all 5-7 guards, he is not selecting 12 5-7 guards. He is going to put together the best post players, wings, guards that he can. In an earlier thread we discussed this as it is better if players can play multiple positions on the team. Second, Charlie is not selecting the team based on the school they have signed with. I believe Charlie cares less about where a kid is going. Charlie knows that kids choose the best situation for them, and that may mean a D1, D2, D3, or NAIA school. Third, Melissa Marlow is the coach of this year's team, not Jennifer.
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Post by indybasketball72 on Mar 26, 2010 19:24:48 GMT -5
Williams and Nunley-Lash may be the two best defenders in the state. Seriously, would you want to play them? Why don't you ask the last 58 of BD's opponents? Or possibly the last 100 out of 107 opponents! Nunley-Lash and Williams showed their true skills in the state finals when Benge decided to let them all go for it, instead of going for balance--hence the 99 points!
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Post by indybasketball72 on Mar 26, 2010 23:36:03 GMT -5
Now that I've finished my rant, I'm glad to see two of my beloved Lady Giants make the roster, but I want to comment on the entire team:
Charlie Hall takes a long look at each of the players selected. He was at the Southport Semi-State watching players, and he said he travels to games almost every night trying to find the top seniors. I don't really see where anyone could argue the selections, unless it is Freeman from Heritage Christian last year.
This team has a lot more depth than people think. The x-factor for this team is Anna Munn. Just as she did with Decatur over the last few years, she makes players around her better. It will be great to see her teamed up with Moses, Williams, and Gerardot. She is one of those players, if you're playing against her, you just don't want her to have the ball in her hands when the game is on the line.
Callaway and Hamm, what an inside duo that will be. Hamm really impressed me against Austin, but she just ran into a buzzsaw named Austin which ended a great 4-year career for Hamm at Winchester.
Davis might be the most underrated player on this team. Had Ben Davis not been playing in the tournament this year, Bryonna Davis literally would have put the Pirates on her shoulders and carried them to the state title. She played a superb individual game against the Giants.
I think this team, now that I see the players who will be representing Indiana, is going to be better than what most people expect. I expect this team to be one of the better DEFENSIVE teams the Indiana All-Stars have ever put together.
By the way, if you're going to criticize HIGH SCHOOL ATHLETES, go find another message board. Tired of it...
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Post by The WIZ on Mar 27, 2010 7:03:18 GMT -5
Minix should have made this team. I would never say, so and so shouldnt have made it, but Minix SHOULD have. Its sad to see a girl with that much talent, that much savvy, and unselfishness not get to be part of this 'TEAM.'
How many D-1 schools offer a kid from that small of a school pretty much before her senior year?? That should tell you something right there.
Barnett isnt the best PG in the Northern part of the state, but she is very, very good. If she was nominated and didn't get honorable mention, it seems very odd to me. But, she's a sophomore and her accolades will come as she continues to play.
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Post by indybasketball72 on Mar 27, 2010 8:20:14 GMT -5
Minix should have made this team. I would never say, so and so shouldnt have made it, but Minix SHOULD have. Its sad to see a girl with that much talent, that much savvy, and unselfishness not get to be part of this 'TEAM.' How many D-1 schools offer a kid from that small of a school pretty much before her senior year?? That should tell you something right there. Barnett isnt the best PG in the Northern part of the state, but she is very, very good. If she was nominated and didn't get honorable mention, it seems very odd to me. But, she's a sophomore and her accolades will come as she continues to play. Barnett was not eligible b/c she is only a sophomore. Now, I did think that Minix and Hamilton from Indian Creek both had a shot at the time, but neither had an eye-popping top 60 workout and that could have been a big determining factor.
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Post by dell on Mar 27, 2010 9:16:36 GMT -5
Minix should have made this team. I would never say, so and so shouldnt have made it, but Minix SHOULD have. Its sad to see a girl with that much talent, that much savvy, and unselfishness not get to be part of this 'TEAM.' How many D-1 schools offer a kid from that small of a school pretty much before her senior year?? That should tell you something right there. Barnett isnt the best PG in the Northern part of the state, but she is very, very good. If she was nominated and didn't get honorable mention, it seems very odd to me. But, she's a sophomore and her accolades will come as she continues to play. Minix should have made it over who? That is why they have the Top 60 workout.
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Post by crosscountrydad on Mar 27, 2010 10:51:27 GMT -5
Everyone needs to consider, first off Charlie Hall has not been doing this forever, so he cant keep getting it wrong, secondly, he isnt the only factor in the decision making, thirdly and most important, this is not designed to be the best 12 players in the state, it is designed to be the best all-star TEAM in the state. You must have players at all positions, that said, you are only going to get 2-3 of the states best at each spot. You obviously dont want 12 guards, or 12 centers going against Kentucky, come on people think. Even at the high school team level during the season, you will find better players on the bench than some who start because of positioning, it really is not that hard to figure out.
Congratulations to all who made the team, and lets go mow over some "blue grass"!!
Rodney McGovern Kokomo, IN
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Post by observer06 on Mar 27, 2010 13:18:58 GMT -5
"How many D-1 schools offer a kid from that small of a school pretty much before her senior year?? That should tell you something right there." You mean besides Tabitha Gerardot and Liz Horton?
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Post by The WIZ on Mar 27, 2010 19:38:50 GMT -5
I guess my main beef is that Minix played on a 1A team with her dad as her coach, so she didnt make the team. IF she had played at a 3A or 4A school, with her dad not being her coach, her same top 60 workout, and a Big East D-1 offer before her season started....she would have been on this team.
No question in my mind, but of course everyone is entitled to their opinion.
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Post by indybasketball72 on Mar 28, 2010 16:33:48 GMT -5
Keep telling yourself that WIZ...
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