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Post by firefighter on Oct 9, 2003 16:53:39 GMT -5
Kristi Mcvey at Southwestern is going to be pretty good also
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Post by bulldog on Oct 10, 2003 8:43:42 GMT -5
CIC, Jodie's game as you described in your last post is the style that I have always seen her play, particularly, coming off screens, I don't think she is a banger/physical type either. I have never had the pleasure of witnessing the types of games(scoring)that she has had during her high school season. As I stated before, I have only seen her during summer/AAU season. I haven't seen her create alot of the dribble, not to say that she can't, possible the offensive scheme wasn't geared towards it, or differant type of players, defensive pressure, etc.. As stated earlier, she obviously has serious game or she wouldn't be being recruited by everyone
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Post by RoyalFan on Oct 10, 2003 10:29:12 GMT -5
It seems that all this discussion and no one has mentioned the hottest junior coming out of the summer play. I am sure some will contest it, but Kahla Roudebush is being pursued by Purdue, Illinois, Penn State, Indiana, Minnesoata, Kansas State, and Arkansas, and DePaul.
All of these schools came in this fall to watch her play in fall open gyms, no one left unhappy. They are all still in hot pursuit of this wonderful hard nosed player.
Not too many know much about Kahla, but I can tell you that the word from the colleges is that she is a strong, physical, guard that has tremendous speed, and deep shooting range. Look for her to be pushing Howell for the top player in the state. If you haven't seen her play, just ask the schools recruiting her, she is only going to improve, and with the HSE team this year being so talented, she will get some prime time exposure.
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Post by SportsGuy on Oct 10, 2003 11:11:28 GMT -5
indianabball -- Tara Miller hasn't scored as much because she hasn't been called on to score. That was the job of Indiana All-Star Kim McMillin and fellow guard Liz Geltmaker. Tara's job -- which she did very well -- was to bring the ball up-court, pump in 10 or so a game and get the ball to the scorers.
Miller will be in much the same boat as Howell in that she'll need help from those around her in order to be successful this season.
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Post by OG on Oct 10, 2003 11:28:27 GMT -5
Kahla Roudebush reminds me a lot of Kyle Black,who had a good career at Wisconsin. Kahla is a little more physical. Kyle developed into a solid 1-2 player.
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Post by CIC on Oct 10, 2003 12:12:25 GMT -5
If you judge players by which schools are actively recruiting them, here's the list for Howell...
Ball State, Duke, Florida, Indiana, Kansas State, Kentucky, Notre Dame, Purdue, South Carolina, Tennessee, UConn and others.
The last two on this list says it all for me. They're unquestionably the two highest-level, elite programs in the country. If Geno and/or Pat are looking at you, chances are pretty good that you're the real deal.
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Post by GLC on Oct 10, 2003 12:14:00 GMT -5
The matchup between Conner(NC) and Roudebush(HSE) should be a good one. Uncle Mark gave Conner the nickname "pound-for-pound" because of her strength. Roudebush is also a powerful player. Other than strength they are almost total opposites. They are both two of my favorite players. The game should bring plenty of college coaches to the stands. ;D The two teams match up almost perfectly. Who's going to win? That's a "post" of its own.
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Post by gizmo on Oct 10, 2003 12:47:51 GMT -5
CIC.... I saw your list of colleges that are scouting Howell. Cassie Kerns from Valparaiso has been contacted by same colleges and more.
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Post by RoyalFan on Oct 10, 2003 17:25:09 GMT -5
I don't think anyone was saying that the list of colleges that are looking at a player, makes them better or worse. But you don't need to feel threatened by Kahla taking the spotlight away from Howell. She doesn't need to be in the spotlight to be considered the best player around. Her game speaks for itself.
I could take the time to list more of the schools, but I only chose to list the schools that came in to watch her play this fall.
Are you saying the Geno and Pat both came in to watch Howell?
Geno did come out to watch Kahla while she was in Chicago. Now I would say something about that.
But just curious.
Both are good players, you don't have to worry about Jodi losing her spot, she plays on a school team that plays alot of 2A schools, her points will still come. I would like to see her play on a 4A team, that played some great teams. That would be interesting.
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Post by GLC on Oct 13, 2003 9:28:19 GMT -5
Sometimes,I feel that the words "being recruited by" are used too loosely. Would each one of the schools mentioned above "accept" a verbal from the above mentioned "players"? Are "all" of those schools offering scholarships to those players. Any player can announce that they are going to a particular school,but is that school offering a "scholarship". Juniors cannot receive phone calls,but can any of these players call Pat or Geno and say,"I'm coming to your school",and the next day "that school" announce that they have received "a verbal" and we're glad to have them(on scholarship)? Come on now,I feel harmones raging. Let the kids have fun and continue to improve so that they can have "their" choice of college.(JMO)
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Post by 2daHoop on Oct 13, 2003 10:24:28 GMT -5
Good point, GLC. As I've read this thread the last couple of days, I keep wondering how if these girls are juniors, and can't be contacted until June of 2004, how does anyone know they're being "recruited"?
Maybe the correct expression is that these schools have "heard of" these players.
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Post by Southern Man on Oct 13, 2003 10:32:12 GMT -5
Look, if a college sends a player a letter then that player is on a recruiting list and in effect this means that they are being recruited. There are rules that must be followed as pointed out by others on this posting. College coaches have approached players and their parents well before the time that they are supposed to and yes, I have witnessed this.
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Post by OG on Oct 13, 2003 10:47:29 GMT -5
You're right SM. They are on a recruiting list. I like the word usage,'being observed',since it is during the observation period that most of the girls are seen. Recruiting list is similiar to someone being called a franchise player. It allows for schools to leave tickets for players and parents(coaches/friends) to attend games(football,basketball,ect...). Offering a scholarship is a totally different thing. Not every school recruiting a player offers them a full scholarship.
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Post by 2daHoop on Oct 13, 2003 11:00:03 GMT -5
I see your points. Keep in mind however that some schools' recruiting lists start out with virtually every player that they've ever heard of.
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Post by GLC on Oct 13, 2003 11:25:27 GMT -5
When it comes to giving tickets,either they're limited or more selective. I think the President of Tenn. gave up his tickets,once, for Ely. That might have been just a figure of speech,but it's still a pretty strong statement. It's that win-at-all-cost mentality.
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Post by coachie on Oct 14, 2003 7:01:07 GMT -5
didn't see brittney moore or sarah bose names from perry anywhere on that junior list......oh pluh--eeze.....they are two of the big reasons perry has been so successful the past couple of seasons.....just because they aren't the huge scoring bugs every single game......they do plenty of other great things.....there is NO way they aren't two of the best juniors in the state.....
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Post by Southern Man on Oct 14, 2003 10:16:18 GMT -5
If you are receiving letters that is the beginning of the recruitment process and in effect, you are being recruited. Now, for sure there are different levels of recruitment and there are some signs of when a player reaches this level. For the record, my son was recruited seriously by about 10-15 colleges. He received over a hundred letters from colleges, however, if you include both sports that he got recruited for, that number goes up. After he decided on a university, I asked the college coaches many questions about the process. Most of them told me what I mentioned above. So, if you receive a letter YOU ARE BEING RECRUITED. ;D
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Post by CIC on Oct 14, 2003 11:49:35 GMT -5
I've been away for a few days and haven't had time to review the latest postings to this thread for excuse me while I get caught back up.
TO: Seeker and gizmo,
I'm sure Cassie and Kahla are both very good players who will have successful high school and college basketball careers. For the record, however, I don't feel "threatened" by Kahla. Jodi Howell isn't my daughter. I'm not even a fan of the Alex Tigers. I've just watched her play quite a bit and feel she's clearly the best player in the state. I agree that players should let their games speak for them. As I mentioned earlier in this thread, Jodi's game obviously spoke loudly enough last season to be the on the AP First Team All-State and the only non-senior to be on ANY of the first, second or third all-state teams. She was also the only non-senior to be on the ICGSA first team all-state.
As for the college recruiting thing, I was trying to make the point that LOTS of kids get letters but Jodi has clearly distinguished herself from the rest of her class as she's been recognized by objective organizations like the Associated Press and the Indiana Coaches of Girls Spots Association.
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Post by RoyalFan on Oct 14, 2003 13:47:51 GMT -5
Wow, you are not a Alex fan CIC? You sure talk like you are, but that is fine.
I also have watched Jodi play, she is a great shooter, and very smart around the court. She is very similar in ability to Zolman. She is a great shooter also, and a very smart player. And the interesting thing, they both play and played for their father. Both take and took 20+ shots a game.
I will say that if Kahla or any talented player took that many shots, she would average 20+ points a game. But the biggest difference being that Kahla plays on a 4A team, with a very tough schedule, and is surrounded with very good players. With that being said, she will never shoot or play like Jodi, and thusly will not put up those kind of numbers. She will, however, continue to improve, and will continue to have schools come in to watch her work out.
That is great that you say Jodi is a great player, she is. But she is by no means vastly ahead of everyone else in her class, let alone all classes.
I guess that is one of the reasons that she did not shine as brightly at AAU Nationals. It is a different ballgame when you are playing against players that have similar ability. Last I checked she did not make the All-American team for AAU. But I am sure that you make a note about why she did not.
But from here on, why won't debate why or why not Jodi Howell is not all that you are trying to make her out to be. This is my last post on the subject.
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Post by CIC on Oct 14, 2003 14:31:06 GMT -5
Seeker, your points about the similarities between Zolman and Howell are interesting but I don't think you're the first person to make the comparison. Lots of people have also made the comment that, like Zolman, Jodi puts up the numbers she does because she takes so many shots. Others will make the argument that she takes so many shots because she's capable of putting up the numbers. I don't agree with everything John Howell does but I don't think he's so dedicated to his daughter that he would tell her to keep shooting if she didn't hit such a high percentage.
As for playing with great players, Jodi played with Jackie Closser the last two years and Jackie averaged a tidy sum per game herself so it's not like Jodi doesn't know how to share the ball.
I didn't follow Jodi's performance in last summer's AAU Nationals so I don't have any idea why she wasn't chosen as an All-American. (I do know she was one of only a handful of girls who was invited to participate in the Nike All-American camp.) Personally, I would rather be named to a team that was based on an entire season worth of effort - such as the AP All-State - rather than AAU All-American which is based on your performance in one tournament. Not saying the girls who were named All-American aren't great players. I just wouldn't worry about NOT being named.
You're certainly welcome to your opinion, Seeker but, based on the recognition Jodi has already received from independent organizations, my opinion seems to be more in line with the media and the coaches. Doesn't make you wrong but it does add credibility to my argument.
By the way, I've NEVER been a Tiger fan. In fact, I've always thought John Howell often crosses over the line from being supportive of his players to being cocky and arrogant. He's done a great deal to help his kids get college scholarships but he acts too high and mighty for my taste. I definitely had a smile on my face when I heard that Mt. Vernon knocked them off in the sectional last year.
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