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Post by Hazel on Oct 27, 2003 9:50:22 GMT -5
It only affects the teams that have good volleyball teams. If a volleyball team wins a sectional then the bball team could have as little as five days to get the team ready. While teams that lose could have up to three-four weeks. I am looking forward to the new rule next year. Maximum of ten practices that will put everyone closer to the same playing field.
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Post by BIRDMAN on Oct 27, 2003 10:38:23 GMT -5
Not really, it affects everyone, with the VB sectionals being on the thursday of the first week of practice, every school is missing their volleyball kids for at least a week. I agree the changes next year will make it a more level playing field
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Post by wetpuppy on Oct 27, 2003 13:56:28 GMT -5
what is the minimum of practices a player needs to play in a game. If a volleyball team goes down state (11-8) and the games are scheduled on the 18th...can the girls play??
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Post by BIRDMAN on Oct 27, 2003 15:28:49 GMT -5
I believe that they only need 5 if they are comming off of a fall sports, if not it is 10. For the smaller schools that play late into VB season, many will reschedule those early games to accomodate the kids.
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Post by Hazel on Oct 28, 2003 9:00:25 GMT -5
The actual rule is if a player is on a tourney team that overlaps the next season they only have to have 5 practices to participate in a scrimmage or game. The problem for us is we have 7 kids on volleyball and they play Nov. 1 Our scrimmage is Nov 6. Our first game is 11-11 if you do the math that means when our first game comes around they will have had only 5 practices due to our gym situation (NO BREAK). They cannot even get sick or they can't play. We will be playing a team that was beat first night of sectional so they will have close to 3 weeks. If a player does not participate in a fall tourney team they must have 10 practices. I will welcome the new rule max of 10 practices before first game.
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Post by rangerman on Oct 28, 2003 12:08:54 GMT -5
Technically the volleyball coaches get all summer to prepare because their season begins immediately after summer activities are over. It's another case of the people who want to dismantle the popularity of basketball doing what it takes to accomplish by changing practice rules that negatively affect basketball. It's been going on for a number of years now. Basketball for everyone used to begin on Oct. 15 or thereabout. Now it's pushed back for the boys and next year could be pushed back for the girls. It's a bunch of crap and it would be nice to get some "basketball" people on the executive committee of the IHSAA to get things back to the way they should be.
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Post by koache on Oct 28, 2003 16:13:47 GMT -5
I've hear about certain basketball coaches telling potential players not to play volleyball and if they do they won't get to play basketball and the ones who did play volleyball don't bother to come for tryouts. On the other hand I know that certain volleyball coaches encourage the volleyball and basketball girls to play these two particular sports because it keeps you in shape and both sports compliment each other. For all the coaches who tell kids not to play two sports be aware, it might backfire on you.
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Post by biscuit on Oct 28, 2003 16:40:05 GMT -5
In past years, volleyball & softball coaches seem to have a grudge match with the bball coach, and are willing to put the girls in the "no win" situation of trying to keep everyone happy. School is tough enough, without adults behaving as toddlers.
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Post by hoopscoach41 on Oct 29, 2003 14:53:27 GMT -5
I think it is good that the girls are getting the experience of playing both sports. But from my 3 years at my school, I don't know if this is how it is elsewhere, but the girls are so poorly conditioned from volleyball season that it takes them a while to get in shape. Volleyball just doesnt have the same physical demand as basketball. I think this hurts some teams too, especially the ones that want a fast-tempo game.
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Post by Hazel on Oct 30, 2003 9:06:03 GMT -5
That seems to be the biggest challenge getting girls in shape in 5 practices. They have to go from a quick step and a short volley. To maintaining for 2-3 minutes using every part of their body. I have coached volleyball and in no way do they start basketball in shape. Then, when you play teams that were either eliminated early from VB or have few VB playters you are behind. Our top 6 players are the six starters on the VB team.
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Post by koache on Oct 31, 2003 11:22:26 GMT -5
My wife coaches volleyball and I can assure you that the work-out she puts her girls through will have the ones that play basketball in shape. Why do you think the coach at Cathedral has her girls play basketball.This is the reason why so many coaches support a two sport athlete, they stay in shape all year round.
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Post by GLC on Oct 31, 2003 12:07:27 GMT -5
Every athlete is responsible for his/herself being prepared,both physically and mentally,for their perspective sport. If a player's main sport is basketball,then,on their own time,they should also be preparing themselves for their basketball season. There is a certain level of maturity that causes this to happen. During her senior year my daughter never missed a beat going from volleyball(semi-state),to basketball(20pts.& 10 rebs.) five days later,to track in the spring. Her work ethic and discipline in the off-season prepared her for both,volleyball and basketball. There's no excuse for not being ready to play,in any sport!
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Post by wetpuppy on Oct 31, 2003 12:34:26 GMT -5
First off...I want that kid on my team.. ;D...but really, it is a little of a logistics problem as well, because we really can not have fundraisers right now because 4 or 5 of the volleyball players that play with us on the basketball team will fall behind. the conditioning problem is real because it is simply 2 types of conditioning...we'll see how it is when the volleyball players join us.
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Post by hoopscoach41 on Oct 31, 2003 12:34:42 GMT -5
I don't totally agree with that. At our school volleyball starts at 4 and they usually practice until 7, sometimes 7:30. By that time the girls have to get home, eat, and do their homework. By that time they don't have time to work out anymore. They need to get their sleep. It will help some if they work out on the weekend, but working out 2 days and then taking 5 days off isn't too much help.
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Post by koache on Oct 31, 2003 13:17:50 GMT -5
I agree with you 100% Mr. GLC. My daughter goes to the "Y" for her own personal work out. In middle school while playing both sports she really never put the basketball down. So, in all fairness, I think its up to the individual to come ready and prepared especially if you have been playing 2 sports for a long time as most have.
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Post by GLC on Oct 31, 2003 13:31:23 GMT -5
Thanks,Wetpuppy. I'll take that as a compliment,but you can't have her on your team,because I can't even get her to play on mine,anymore. All I'm saying is that no matter what the rules are,they aren't going to satisfy everyone. Make the best of it,and "PLAY BALL"!
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Post by Hazel on Nov 3, 2003 9:06:46 GMT -5
Must be nice. If our VB coach so much as hears that they have been touching a basketball they get extra conditioning. She wants them to do nothing except volleyball. I understand that as well because while their in basketball I would not want a player doing softball or club volleyball. Too much of a risk of injury. Especially at smaller schools.
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Post by GLC on Nov 3, 2003 9:33:41 GMT -5
There is such a thing as "too much" competition. I'm talking about individual workouts on the out-of-season sport. I can't see where continuing development in one sport is going to hurt another. Some adults take all of te fun out of a kid's high school life.
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Post by wgbbfan on Nov 3, 2003 9:43:31 GMT -5
On the radio today Rochesters Basketball season has been delayed because of Volleyball success.
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Post by Hazel on Nov 3, 2003 10:05:23 GMT -5
Is Rochester going to state. When was there first game scheduled. We play on the 11th and still have cuts to make and get prepared from now to then.
GLC it is all fun until one of those so called owrkouts gets someone hurt. It is ok for the big schools, but the small schools can't afford any injury.
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